21 The Podcast of Mush, AKA Time Management
Kahle: Welcome to loosely, a multi author writing journal, where we talk goals, the ups and downs of writing and where we try to warn you off our greatest pitfalls. We'll keep it short because you don't have much time and we'd rather be writing
Charity: Hillary I'm charity.
So how's it been
HIllary: this out?
Charity: It's all good. It's all good.
HIllary: Yeah. We're just goofballs having a good time.
Charity: Does anybody even remember what our goals were the last time?
HIllary: What if I don't want to remember what my goals,
Kahle: what if I agree with Hillary? Like,
Charity: so it sounds like I may be the only one who met my goal, right?
HIllary: Yes. Well, my goals timeframe isn't up, but I'm probably not going to be able to meet them all. So. My timeframe was till the end of November or till the end of October.
Charity: Nice. Straight off as my brain is mush. I made it, but I seriously cannot formulate two sentences in a row. That makes sense anymore.
HIllary: Well, you share formulated a lot of them I'm reading the bugs.
Kahle: this will be a very good podcast.
HIllary: The podcast.
Kahle: Well, I think, I think, okay. Number one, it's cool that Hillary and I are both having struggles with like meeting our goals right now. And charity totally nailed her goal today. We're talking about time management. Yeah, I know.
HIllary: That's why I've been thinking about time management.
Kahle: Very smart. Having a problem.
Charity: But, you know, the interesting thing is I've had a problem too. All of my time has been geared toward the writing. So I think there's a it's time management and balance. So I think there's something we can all learn from our last
HIllary: couple of weeks. So none of us are balancing is what you're saying.
Charity: I know I'm not, my family has not had a home cooked meal in quite a while.
HIllary: got that down.
Kahle: I've got this toast and the toast just keeps expanding, but I have the same amount of butter on the knife and it's just so thin all over and I just keep raking it across the bread and there just keeps being more bread and more bread. Oh my goodness.
HIllary: You look like the toast, man. By the time you're done
Charity: well, kale, why don't you start then and tell us what.
Tell us what kind of toast you have?
Kahle: Well, okay. I thought it would be very wise to really, really commit. And I still agree. I think it has been wise, but to really commit to doing this, uh, a song for each day in October with my friend, Ryan Speakman, um, it's been really successful. Um, I've read at least one of my songs.
I will be turning into a full length song later down the road. I, I like it so much. I am probably more than half the plays on SoundCloud of listening.
Charity: Awesome though.
Kahle: I really liked it. Um, that particular one, um,
HIllary: You've only got a few days left to,
Kahle: yeah. Yeah. And so I've got to, I've got to finish strong, which that was frustrating in that, but, um, it's okay.
I still have this
HIllary: hand, he hurt his hand. Yeah. I hurt my
Kahle: hand at work. So.
Charity: Put a screw through his
Kahle: hand, not through, not through, but definitely all the way in
HIllary: that's enough Gore for us. Right. That's
Kahle: okay. This isn't, this is not a cozy horror writing,
Charity: but anybody
HIllary: out there, right?
Kahle: Oh my gosh. But what has happened is, uh, I have been actually letting myself get some sleep. And so I haven't had time. It's not true. This is to me, making excuses
Kahle: is good. Blocking has suffered dramatically.
Charity: You're you're.
Kahle: I am. Yes, it's pretty bad right now. I've got about four days to essentially prep.
Charity: Yeah. Well, and you know, the great thing about nano is you start with what you have and then go with it. So don't, yeah. Don't let that stress you too much. And you know, if you take a day during November and block those words, count.
Kahle: Okay. Okay. That's good. That's good to help
Charity: me feel a little better.
Kahle: A lot.
Well that, yeah, that's, that's what's going on with me. Um, my, my music time that I'm taking right now will become my writing time in November. So it's, it's at least good that I've got the. The structure there for me. Yeah. So, but yeah, falling a little behind on my writing goals, but that
Charity: you have other goals and that's okay.
I mean, life happens, so that's cool. How about you, Hillary?
HIllary: Um, my goal is to finish a couple of things through no October. And, um, I still haven't finished revising my one, my story. So that is honestly my main goal. I really wanted to have my cozy mystery, a little more written out, but, um, I have more time on that one.
So I I'm just pushing it back a little bit and I live well, not even necessarily, but yes, because I don't see how it's going to happen this week. Um, I'm still hoping to get my I'm hoping to work like you and have my brain turn to mush because I'm working on my book so much and get it done this week. I mean, that's really, that's what I'm hoping to do is to get in there and really be heavy on the revising.
I've um, I've had a couple of things that I'm doing with family that have interfered with that, but it's like you said, we're talking balance and we're talking all this stuff. So they're important things. My in-laws are. Moving next door soon. So we've been prepping that it takes time. So we've been traveling a little more too, which makes that also challenging, but we're working on it.
We're working on it. There are legitimate reasons, but there's still, they still feel like excuses. So, you know, here we are. That's why I've been thinking about time management.
Charity: Yeah. I think a lot of times on that side of the time management, it seems like it's easy to give our time away to our family, to our friends, to the other things we know we have to do or in laws.
Yes. Because we still feel like. Kind of going back to the author, imposter theory, we still feel like what we want is not so important.
Kahle: Yeah. I like how in-laws are separate from family in that equation.
HIllary: Yeah. I have to be careful. She'll probably watch this. They're wonderful. And it's good that they're coming, but, um, it's, it feels separate from everything right now, even, you know, it's like it's its own block of everything.
Charity: Um, okay. I guess I should say what I've been doing. So yes, at least the last two, three weeks, I have done nothing but finish and revise. And just this past Saturday I finished the second romance and then today I seriously spent about five hours preparing all the files for arc reviewers and. Getting everything up and ready to go because it goes live and two and a half weeks.
So I still like the 15th. It's the 13th. So I get locked out of Amazon on November 9th. Oh, that's right. So yeah, when you put things up for pre-order on Amazon, for those who don't know, you have to upload your file 72 hours before it goes live so that Amazon can do its thing and review and make sure the formatting looks good and all that stuff,
HIllary: torture you and make you nervous and all that kind of stuff.
Charity: I put up a file today. Cause I didn't have anything at all. I was like, okay, let's put this one up. I still do need to do final edits, but at least there's something there. So I feel a little bit lighter. Not quite as terrified. Cry. Exactly. Yeah. There's hopefully we'll find all the typos before the ninth, but uh, but in doing so, I mean, seriously, I take my son to school.
I come home, I sit at my computer and just work on this. Thing. And the last one was a complete rewrite. So I had a story and for me, this is really hard because once I have something in my head, that's it, but I was having to change everything. Um, and so I would sit until I couldn't sit and then I would wander around my house.
I'd eat some, something, all kinds of stuff. Throw in a load of laundry, I'd do something. And then I come back and I would just basically sit there all day until my alarm went off. That said, go pick up your son. So sad that I have to set an alarm. I would forget to pick, pick my son up
HIllary: one of my time management things.
Charity: setting an alarm to say, we're going to do this, but, uh, it's done. And so. The worst part of it's done. So I feel a lot lighter. And if my brain would just start to work again, I'm actually excited to get into nano and start writing science fiction. I am not really planning anything out. So kale you're blocking, I'm jealous of, I'm not going to worry about it.
Cause I can't think about it
Kahle: right now. I'm going to be a pantser this
Charity: time, total, total pants, or, um, Yeah. So it'll be interesting. So, Hillary, you said you had some time management tips.
HIllary: Tips. I have some time management thoughts.
Charity: Good. That, that, that might be as close to tips as we get today.
HIllary: Yeah. Yeah. Um, so basically my intention is to set some alarms and really define when my writing time is so that I don't let it go to other things.
Um, I found myself today. I had a plan. And it was a good plan. And half the time I ended up searching through Pinterest because something caught my attention and I was scrolling through there and then the time's almost gone. And then you go, well, shoot, I, it's not even worth opening my computer now. So you just keep scrolling.
Um, I actually, I've been working on a couple of things and so my, my I'd been divided anyway, but, um, Yeah, essentially my goal and intention is to set some actual alarms because there are certain things in my day that are pretty well set and then just say, okay, this is your writing time. Go use it, or you lose it.
So that's, that's my, that's my big intention right now. My big tip, but, um, awesome. I dunno. I feel like when I don't do that, I really do lose it in so many ways. I'm losing it. Um, well, the time, yeah, it just goes away. So
Charity: it goes very fast. So kale, you said your, your current music time will become your writing time.
Uh, so that's, is that your main plan? Do you have other things that you are going to pull in to kind of help you get that time in that you need?
Kahle: Well, I, I think I will probably have a lot of makeup time on the weekends is what it's going to run in, run up to be. Um, especially like Sundays are normally a little bit of a more laid back day, but, um, during the week, uh, I'm pretty much gone from the house about 12 hours. And so like from, from point of leaving to point of getting home is like 12 hours.
And so when I get back, I've got about three and a half to four good hours. And about 30 minute minutes of that is without ruin being awake.
Charity: And you need to spend that time with her while you can.
Well, and I think that's a good plan though, that you know that on the weekends, you're gonna do a little bit of makeup work. I think that's, that's great that that's your plan.
HIllary: Um, it's okay to go slow too. I mean, you don't have to be pushing out a ton of it all at once, so right. Make that the plan and embrace the plan and be happy with the plan.
I mean, yeah,
Charity: that's good. I think, um, some of my tips would be kind of like what you guys have said. You pick a time. I know I always do better when I say this time from usually it's from nine o'clock to 12 o'clock or from 12 o'clock to two o'clock. I say that's my writing time. And you have to really focus.
And I was reading some different things online and they were saying, um, these were all for working from home during COVID online. And they were saying you single tasking. And I think that's what I actually do when I sit down to write is I actually turn off. The wifi on my computer. So I don't fall down that Pinterest hall.
And I actually put my phone somewhere else and I turned the sound off so that I don't hear it because I think we're programmed. When our phone buzzes with a text, we are programmed to automatically answer it. And then before we know it, 15, 20 minutes have gone by because, Oh, it's in my hand, I answered that.
Well, I'm waiting for them to reply. I'm going to check Facebook and I'm going to, you know, whatever. Um, so yeah, so that would be my biggest tip is turn off your wifi, put your phone somewhere else and just focus on I'm just writing right now. And, and the way I handle when I get to something I don't know, is I seriously, I put the little blank line and sometimes I'll just put parenthesis and go figure out this person's name or figure out what this looks like.
And then just keep going.
HIllary: Yeah. I've had people talk about putting in keywords for those kinds of things too, or, you know, things that would never be in your book, elephant, parachute, you know, whatever it is, maybe it's, maybe that's not at all. And then maybe those are in your book all the time, but, um, pick something random like that, that, that way you can search it at the end and be like, okay, there's one.
Okay. There's another one. And then go through and figure out those little details because sometimes those are just so much easier to figure out after you're done. Um, yeah.
Charity: And if your story changes, you may not even need them.
HIllary: That's true. The only other tip that I have is really just to sit down and do it.
That's been the thing that I've heard the most in my classes that I've been taking and the LA life advice that I have, the people who are successful and the people who are talented and just want to do it. The differences that the successful people get it. They sat down, they made it happen. They did the work.
And I mean, there's amazingly talented people out there who can probably do better work than a lot of us, but they're not doing it. Okay.
Charity: So other tips for maybe making the time that we have to right. Productive.
HIllary: How about, uh, Oh, sorry. Tips for making the time productive. We could start there.
Charity: Don't forget.
HIllary: Well, my, my thought was how about, um, how do we figure out what, what to balance? Like, how do we determine what the important things are and how we prioritize.
Charity: I've been thinking about this a lot because, um, you know, our families are important and being with our friends and especially with the holiday season coming up, I mean, we've got Thanksgiving through Christmas and so we know we're going to get busy and there's going to be a lot of travel and there's going to be a lot of family activities and things that we need to do.
So I already know that if I can write as much as. Possible the first bit of November, I usually kind of slow down toward the end of November and Thanksgiving. Cause family comes in and I just try to in my head prepare for that. And then in December, I, my plan is to not write. So if I do right then it's all bonus.
But I think during like the normal Workday for me, I have to sit and ask myself, okay, this thing that has just popped up. During my writing time. If can it wait the 30 minutes until I'm done? And most of the time the answer is yes.
HIllary: Um, well, and when you have your time scheduled, so, you know, this is my block of time.
It's not only that that's the time that you get to write, so you don't want to lose it, but you know that when it's done your real life starts again. So it's not like all of that's being put off just indefinitely. There is a point where it stops and. The, the other part of your life begins, it's a Workday
Charity: and it does make it easier.
Otherwise, I find that constantly thinking about my story. And so when I'm with my family, it's not quality. If that makes sense, because my brain is elsewhere and they're learning to respect that it's taking years, but they're learning to just go let her finish and then should pay attention to us.
And I think my husband is starting to learn that if he asked me what I'm thinking about, it's probably going to be a book and he's learning to be okay with that.
Charity: Oh my goodness. So this is kind of new territory for you, kale.
Kahle: What's that just the writing aspect,
Charity: just that. And trying to figure out your balance. I mean, because you have the youngest child out of all of us that does require more time and attention.
Kahle: Yeah. Um, I think, um, I'm just going to be for this month.
I'll probably be leaning on Sydney quite a bit, um, to, to really give this the go that I think it needs. Um, But, uh,
yeah, that's really what I can think about, you know,
HIllary: Well, and really, I think they are the unspoken heroes of our book, our families. I mean, they, they really do a supportive family. Only is there is no, no price. All you can set on that too, because, um, we've had times where families not excited about what we're doing and it's not supported and it makes it really challenging to follow through with any of the goals in any of the things that we have set, because.
Our families are important and it matters to us how they feel. But when you have someone that you can lean on, it's hard for them. And it's important to recognize that, but, um, it's just, there's no end to the gratitude that you have either when you have people who will support you that way. So props to Sydney.
Kahle: Yeah. Major.
Charity: So, um, when my kids were little. It was a lot harder to find time than what I do now, but, um, go old school. If you have to take a notebook to work with you. And when you're on your lunch break, sit and jot a couple of lines, you will be surprised how fast those add up.
HIllary: You know, the other thing that, um, in terms of the little kids, mine comes from my mother, we were.
We are, we, we were Sowers before we were writers and my mom used to costume holdings shows and things for theater programs, and she had seven little kids. And so she had to like learn to do that. She was like, if all I get done today is one seam that's okay. And I'm one seam further. And I just set this stuff aside and I come back to it tomorrow.
Um, so the same can be done for writing. If all we get done today is a line or two. That's okay. And we're a line or two further, and it keeps our process moving in our heads and it keeps things fluid. So we're grateful for that. And we come
Charity: back to
Kahle: it tomorrow. Yeah. I like that. You know, a couple of times this month with the songs I've had to do that, where once one night I had about a 22nd long song and I was like, I did it
some nights had the time and the desire and the interest operation to like write like a three minute long, actual near, fully developed song. Like I spend like two hours on it and it. It's yeah, it's been really, really fun and really productive.
HIllary: What I'm excited about is that when you're done with all of this, your books are going to have theme music,
Kahle: uh, charity.
I can I send you some links for other productivity stuff that we could
Charity: post. That would be wonderful that way, since we kind of rambled, that would be great. Hey,
HIllary: our families are very thoughtful. Certainly you guys want this to be so informational? I don't know what's wrong.
Kahle: I would never talk down on our ramblings,
but, uh, there are a couple of things that have helped my wife and she is, she always is looking for, it's not like what she lives for, but she always finds really good. Stuff to help me while she's trying to help herself also. Um, there's a YouTuber named Jordan Page. Uh, she does a productivity bootcamp and, uh, we've been going through that.
Uh, and it's pretty good. Um, when I was 23, I was. I dated this girl who we were sitting in her living room and she was doing homework and I was failing miserably at getting anything done, which is like, literally my emo of my life
HIllary: is that because you were 23 and in the room with another girl you were dating,
let's be honest. It was legitimate to me,
Kahle: but I mean, I always struggled to get much done. Um, and she, she was like, kale, I think you might have ADHD. And I was like, that's hilarious. That's the joke I always make. And she's like, no, like legit. Like I have it, my brother has it. Everything that I see you do.
And the things that you describe in your struggles, like. Are the things that I would describe in my struggles. And so figuring out about that, um, there's a lot of good resources for that. If that's your particular struggle. I know in the creative field, especially we are, uh, many and close to between the opposite of few and far between, uh, One resource other than a one resource that my wife found was a YouTube channel that doesn't update much anymore, but all the information shared on it is really useful and helpful, but the pages called how to ADHD.
Um, and the girl on there is spectacular with, with, uh, I mean, she just started talking about like, Oh, maybe you have this problem. And I was like, How do you see into my brain? Well, it's fantastic. Yeah, so it's, it's, it's a really, really good resource. Um, but those are, those are the two things that have helped me a lot in the past.
Um, I love outside of the things we've already talked about just doing it. Um, having family support behind us and encouragement, um,
Charity: And I'll, I'll share one of the people I just interviewed when I asked him what he does when he is not writing, he watches Phineas and Ferb. So we're being all serious and adult here, and he's like, I watch videos
HIllary: of verb.
I'm like, yes,
Kahle: that's awesome.
HIllary: Well, And on the ADHD part of it, I think understanding what you as a person need is going to affect dramatically how you handle your time and how you find the balance in the work that you are able to do and that you need to do so. Yeah. Thanks for bringing
Charity: that part up and being able to accept this is what it is.
HIllary: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're all different people. And it's like seriously in the creative field. So many of us struggle with those kinds of challenges and yeah. It's okay. Yeah,
Charity: we get a lot done.
Kahle: Oh my gosh, dude, when I hit that creative. State I'm like I could create, I could sit here for the next six days and cut these pictures out and glue them all together.
And, and I'm like, Oh, it's beautiful.
HIllary: And then you crash
Kahle: and then you're dead for a week,
but you did it.
HIllary: Everyone who comes in the room,
I'm really glad you guys relate so much to that.
Uh, thank you. Well, so that is that's everything I have to say about tips on that. I could come up with a ton more, but. For time's
Charity: sake. Yeah. Definitely email me those links and we can put those in there. That'd be great. Yeah. Awesome. All
HIllary: right. Tell you little LEAFers. Yeah.
Charity: Or start writing.
Okay. It worked. I'm telling you there's a TV in your room that came in your room to turn the TV. We'll be real quick.
HIllary: We'll be real quick.
Charity: We chat too much. That's a problem
Kahle: on a conference call. You have the TV on. No, you can't
HIllary: have a conference. This is not a conference call. This is a podcast it's different.
Charities loving all the extra stuff she gets to put at the end right now. All
Charity: of our bloopers.
HIllary: Hey, thanks. I think, yeah.
Charity: If we can figure out how to use Slack, that kale has set up for us. We can each this topic. No, no, I think that's
HIllary: a great idea. We're just still trying to figure it out. I actually was when we got together in person. You can help me.
Kahle: Well, I've got like, I've got like three or four videos in my YouTube watch later that are like how to become a professional at Slack.
HIllary: I need to watch those Bradley. That's what I was like. I'm going to have to look something up. Cause I don't, I don't know.
Kahle: They're like, Oh man, here's this trope and we are not going to subvert it. We're just going to lean into it and lean right into it. And you're going to know exactly what's going to happen.
You know, I keep waiting for the subversion of the trope, but I'm like, dude, I do feel like that undermined a character's emotions. They super undermine the character's emotions for the sake of like the romance aspect of the book. And I was like, there's no way.
Charity: Is this the teen romance you were telling us about?
I am enjoying aspects of this book.
Charity: Just not the will not let the trope go away.
Kahle: Yeah, dude, it got me, they got me, they were like, they were like dangling the, dangling the bait out there. And I was like, Oh, what's this vampire's interesting. I've never liked the vampire, but before, huh? Oh my gosh. There's werewolf's in like angel fighter people like this is interesting.
What is this? 1850s, London weird. Okay. All of a sudden his dreamy blue eyes, blah, blah, blah. I was like,
and then after that they're like, Oh, also some steam, steam, punk, automaton robots. And I was like, this is getting cool again. And then they're like, Oh, the brush of his lips against ah, no.